I'm forever grateful to have met you and participate in your posts . I put that vid of THE UNVAX on my FB just now , waiting for the silence or the hate responses.
Happy to meet you. Wish I could have had you as a friend on face book years ago. I terminated my FB account with a F U, F U, F U as I walked out the censored prison that they contained me in. Sorry to go with the F word so soon after meeting you. Apparently I still have some anger issues over those days.
As a scientist could you one day please look into the fake blood brain barrier nonsense. That still pisses me off. Same nonsense as the "vaccine stays in the arm". We aren't plastic dolls that disconnect the blood flow in our arm from the rest of the body. We are one body. What circulates in one part of the body tends to eventually circulate to the rest of our body. There is no F-ing blood brain barrier!!!!! That is another piece of the narrative that has been vomited from many mouths to inject poison into our children and needs to stop. "Don't worry Mom. This shot I am giving your infant will never cause brain damage to your kid as there is a sacred blood brain barrier that will stop the brain damage." Bull shit! Please you or one of your science buddies do a study, write a paper up on this. I have no science back ground but that doesn't mean I am stupid. Just not as sciency as some other people.
Dang! Now I mentioned the F word, vomit and shit in all one meet and greet post. Again I got some anger issues.
Hi Dee, I'm not a scientist but I have a BSc. (which, according to that commenter, is what is required to even discuss the contents of that link I'd shared). But nobody needs a science degree to know that "the vaccine stays in the arm." If that was the case, then why inject it at all? You're definitely not stupid and your introductory comment here cracked me up too! Nice to meet you too...
I remember the NBVD well. It kept me sane during those horrible times, knowing I was not completely alone. Thanks to some of the posts on NBVD I then discovered Substack and the critical minds on here.
Thanks Irina, I actually wanted to tag a bunch of former Navers, and you would have been one of them. I think you were #7 or #8. You had some of the most interesting contributions in the NBVD and I still want to share that brilliant essay of yours. Will reach out soon. Glad you're here!
NBVD sounds like it was a great thing while it lasted. I am not on Facebook, so didn't find my tribe there, but at some point I discovered the Lockdown Sceptics group on Reddit, which was mostly people from the UK. That group kept me sane during the crazy time, and I'm eternally grateful for that.
Yes, its survival was surprising. Other anti-lockdown forums that I had joined were canceled rather quickly.
I seem to recall that one trick that the LS members did was to not spell out the word "vaccine", but refer to it with other terms. This might have helped the survival. I think they may have done this with the word "covid" too.
I know, but it did lead to some humor. For example, Rudolph Rigger was a prominent LS poster, who later migrated to Substack, and he used terms like "Glorious Goo" for the vaccine, which always made me smile.
I'm glad to hear these stories. Mine was more renegade bush get togethers with wilder people and a small private group on Signal. We got by and may of us are still close and in contact. If you know you know.
Wow! Wish I had known you then. Our group had 10,000 + members but also got kicked off, on Jan 8, 2021. With basically the same message as yours. I also got so many hateful comments on my own page and I also got kicked off FB entirely on that Jan 8 day of flushing the dissenters off FB. I got a new account so if you start it again I'll join. Great story about it all. 💥🧡💕
Thank you Heather! 💕 Wow, more than 10,000... What was that group called? As I said, I think we lasted a longer time than other Covid dissident groups because of our name... Let's connect on FB anyway (you have my 2 monikers), and if we do start it again, of course you should be in there, and not just for being a super meme-queen!
The group was originally Jordan Sather's anti vax group but it evolved to all things Q and Covid and other conspiracy theories and then there was an asshole who drove us all crazy so we all moved to another group and since we were all making and sharing memes, the leaders called it the Meme Gods after themselves. I'll find you....
What a magnificent feat, Neshma! I'm glad you put this into a post to honor that moment and the lifeboat of 666 you sailed so brilliantly.
I mentioned on Eva Bartlett's stack that you and I had been talking glowingly about her, and that she was part of this. So many roles you've played in organizing, corralling and gently herding us feral cats. Your rules are so sensible and surely were a reason your lifeboat was so sturdy.
And while reading, I'm munching on delicious Cereal Monogamy with yogurt, blueberries and agave. Yum! What are the warm spices I taste?
Thanks, Tereza! Yeah there have been a lot of roles, have almost kinda forgotten who I am these last 5 years...
So glad to know you're enjoying my granola! The ingredients are on the label but the warm spices are: cinnamon and cardamom. It's the latter that's really distinctive...
I was never much of a "Blue Eff"-er, but I sure wish I had known about your group. I got connected with an email group that originated in Columbia County, NY called "CCNoMandates" -- they were a source of support until they all started infighting and splintered into multiples.
I did create an in-person group with a few others (United for Health Freedom) and we held regular potlucks to remind ourselves that we weren't crazy, and then I started my Substack.
We need one another! Thanks for sharing your backstory, SF. Proud to know ya.
Thank you, Mary! And I'm glad you did the in-person thing which is 100 times better! Also, I think if the group had remained on there I would have found you eventually! I was so good out scouting out the CTs :)
Thank you for this rich retrospective, Neshma! I hadn't realized NBVD had reached over 600 members! Not being on FB I never joined it, but was honored to meet you in the summer of 2020 at one of those delightful, illicit in-person gatherings on that Oakland, CA roof terrace.
And you are not the only one who came up with the concept of those initial three circles for NBVD. Swiss historian, peace researcher, 9/11 truther and covid vax refuser Daniele Ganser early on offered this approach to talking with others about the C-19 madness. He said many people have one or more of the following fears to a greater or lesser extent:
--fear of dying from C-19
--fear of losing livelihood from lockdowns
--fear of tyranny from C-19 mandates
So he suggested finding out where the person you're talking with stands with these three (like on a venn diagram!), acknowledge their fear, and look for any overlap, however small, with yourself, then maybe you can at least converse if not fully agree...
Daniele's material is mostly for German language audiences, but he has much in English, too. Check out this video that I moderated with him and Dr. Madhava Setty (another courageous and principled covid dissident), talking about the mind-body connection......
Actually I was going to tag you, Marilyn, as one of the OG in-person peeps! Yes, it got quite big, and was a lot of work to manage. Actually re the original 3 circle Venn diagram, that wasn't me that made the meme, I found it, as I mention in my post (but my post is long and you could easily miss many details). Daniele is spot on with his approacg. I will be sure to watch that video... I follow Madhava Setty, he is quite brilliant and an excellent writer!
Wonderful essay. Thanks so much. Oh, the memories! I was in a private Facebook group and was permanently banned from Facebook for posting one covid essay. I couldn't care less!
Thanks Peggy! You're not missing much not being on FB. Whenever I'm there, I always think what on earth is this? And why did I waste so many of my waking hours on this platform, arguing with strangers? It did matter at the time though...
The final straw was actually ours...a post attempting to hide volatile links behind URL-shorteners...to demonstrate, we posted a shortened link to a Luc Montagnier interview. A Nobel prize winner.
It's quite clear that they were waiting for an admin to slip, and we still believe there must have been infiltration considering how quick it all happened. I've since reported outright scams-direct, money scams- to Facebook, and been told nothing could be done.
SANE! So happy your world is big enough to have had a few thinkers remaining in proximity. Took me months to realize all my posts were shadow banned, and years to discover the 2% of my brobots that were still sane,but fortunately my workbots all were, so I had a refuge where I could DO MY RESEARCH!
I'm forever grateful to have met you and participate in your posts . I put that vid of THE UNVAX on my FB just now , waiting for the silence or the hate responses.
Thanks again N.
Thank you Fern...
Hmm, I wonder what the response will be???
Happy to meet you. Wish I could have had you as a friend on face book years ago. I terminated my FB account with a F U, F U, F U as I walked out the censored prison that they contained me in. Sorry to go with the F word so soon after meeting you. Apparently I still have some anger issues over those days.
As a scientist could you one day please look into the fake blood brain barrier nonsense. That still pisses me off. Same nonsense as the "vaccine stays in the arm". We aren't plastic dolls that disconnect the blood flow in our arm from the rest of the body. We are one body. What circulates in one part of the body tends to eventually circulate to the rest of our body. There is no F-ing blood brain barrier!!!!! That is another piece of the narrative that has been vomited from many mouths to inject poison into our children and needs to stop. "Don't worry Mom. This shot I am giving your infant will never cause brain damage to your kid as there is a sacred blood brain barrier that will stop the brain damage." Bull shit! Please you or one of your science buddies do a study, write a paper up on this. I have no science back ground but that doesn't mean I am stupid. Just not as sciency as some other people.
Dang! Now I mentioned the F word, vomit and shit in all one meet and greet post. Again I got some anger issues.
Well anyways nice to meet you.
🤣
Hi Dee, I'm not a scientist but I have a BSc. (which, according to that commenter, is what is required to even discuss the contents of that link I'd shared). But nobody needs a science degree to know that "the vaccine stays in the arm." If that was the case, then why inject it at all? You're definitely not stupid and your introductory comment here cracked me up too! Nice to meet you too...
I remember the NBVD well. It kept me sane during those horrible times, knowing I was not completely alone. Thanks to some of the posts on NBVD I then discovered Substack and the critical minds on here.
Thank you for giving us that space.
Thanks Irina, I actually wanted to tag a bunch of former Navers, and you would have been one of them. I think you were #7 or #8. You had some of the most interesting contributions in the NBVD and I still want to share that brilliant essay of yours. Will reach out soon. Glad you're here!
Never forget!!! Thank you so much for keeping the memory of this madness fresh.
As Ronald Reagan famously said: "The most terrifying nine words in the English language are - I'm from the government and I'm here to help."
Too right, Phaedra!
NBVD sounds like it was a great thing while it lasted. I am not on Facebook, so didn't find my tribe there, but at some point I discovered the Lockdown Sceptics group on Reddit, which was mostly people from the UK. That group kept me sane during the crazy time, and I'm eternally grateful for that.
Wow, surprised it lasted at all on Reddit! That platform was heavily censored...
Yes, its survival was surprising. Other anti-lockdown forums that I had joined were canceled rather quickly.
I seem to recall that one trick that the LS members did was to not spell out the word "vaccine", but refer to it with other terms. This might have helped the survival. I think they may have done this with the word "covid" too.
We had to do similar kinds of tricks too. How ridiculous, right?
I know, but it did lead to some humor. For example, Rudolph Rigger was a prominent LS poster, who later migrated to Substack, and he used terms like "Glorious Goo" for the vaccine, which always made me smile.
I can't believe how triggering this post was. Clearly I have more work to do!
I hadn't heard about NBVD, but I know how much I relied on my sane friends during those crazy years.
I'm glad people like you exist
Thank you for being Sane, Jaye. Glad you exist too!
I thought I was sane in 2020. I am no longer certain!
Ha, it's all relative sometimes, ain't it?
Oh, yes
I'm glad to hear these stories. Mine was more renegade bush get togethers with wilder people and a small private group on Signal. We got by and may of us are still close and in contact. If you know you know.
Oh man, you lot were the RBGT... bet you had so much fun!
Wow! Wish I had known you then. Our group had 10,000 + members but also got kicked off, on Jan 8, 2021. With basically the same message as yours. I also got so many hateful comments on my own page and I also got kicked off FB entirely on that Jan 8 day of flushing the dissenters off FB. I got a new account so if you start it again I'll join. Great story about it all. 💥🧡💕
Thank you Heather! 💕 Wow, more than 10,000... What was that group called? As I said, I think we lasted a longer time than other Covid dissident groups because of our name... Let's connect on FB anyway (you have my 2 monikers), and if we do start it again, of course you should be in there, and not just for being a super meme-queen!
The group was originally Jordan Sather's anti vax group but it evolved to all things Q and Covid and other conspiracy theories and then there was an asshole who drove us all crazy so we all moved to another group and since we were all making and sharing memes, the leaders called it the Meme Gods after themselves. I'll find you....
What a magnificent feat, Neshma! I'm glad you put this into a post to honor that moment and the lifeboat of 666 you sailed so brilliantly.
I mentioned on Eva Bartlett's stack that you and I had been talking glowingly about her, and that she was part of this. So many roles you've played in organizing, corralling and gently herding us feral cats. Your rules are so sensible and surely were a reason your lifeboat was so sturdy.
And while reading, I'm munching on delicious Cereal Monogamy with yogurt, blueberries and agave. Yum! What are the warm spices I taste?
Thanks, Tereza! Yeah there have been a lot of roles, have almost kinda forgotten who I am these last 5 years...
So glad to know you're enjoying my granola! The ingredients are on the label but the warm spices are: cinnamon and cardamom. It's the latter that's really distinctive...
Cardamom! That's what I'm tasting! Delish!
There you go, missus... another proof that mothers ('moms) rule the world! :)
Hahaha! I see another punny product in the works!
I was never much of a "Blue Eff"-er, but I sure wish I had known about your group. I got connected with an email group that originated in Columbia County, NY called "CCNoMandates" -- they were a source of support until they all started infighting and splintered into multiples.
I did create an in-person group with a few others (United for Health Freedom) and we held regular potlucks to remind ourselves that we weren't crazy, and then I started my Substack.
We need one another! Thanks for sharing your backstory, SF. Proud to know ya.
Thank you, Mary! And I'm glad you did the in-person thing which is 100 times better! Also, I think if the group had remained on there I would have found you eventually! I was so good out scouting out the CTs :)
Thank you for this rich retrospective, Neshma! I hadn't realized NBVD had reached over 600 members! Not being on FB I never joined it, but was honored to meet you in the summer of 2020 at one of those delightful, illicit in-person gatherings on that Oakland, CA roof terrace.
And you are not the only one who came up with the concept of those initial three circles for NBVD. Swiss historian, peace researcher, 9/11 truther and covid vax refuser Daniele Ganser early on offered this approach to talking with others about the C-19 madness. He said many people have one or more of the following fears to a greater or lesser extent:
--fear of dying from C-19
--fear of losing livelihood from lockdowns
--fear of tyranny from C-19 mandates
So he suggested finding out where the person you're talking with stands with these three (like on a venn diagram!), acknowledge their fear, and look for any overlap, however small, with yourself, then maybe you can at least converse if not fully agree...
Daniele's material is mostly for German language audiences, but he has much in English, too. Check out this video that I moderated with him and Dr. Madhava Setty (another courageous and principled covid dissident), talking about the mind-body connection......
https://ic911.org/talks-conversations/exploring-the-mind-body-question-as-a-pathway-to-peace/
Actually I was going to tag you, Marilyn, as one of the OG in-person peeps! Yes, it got quite big, and was a lot of work to manage. Actually re the original 3 circle Venn diagram, that wasn't me that made the meme, I found it, as I mention in my post (but my post is long and you could easily miss many details). Daniele is spot on with his approacg. I will be sure to watch that video... I follow Madhava Setty, he is quite brilliant and an excellent writer!
Wonderful essay. Thanks so much. Oh, the memories! I was in a private Facebook group and was permanently banned from Facebook for posting one covid essay. I couldn't care less!
Thanks Peggy! You're not missing much not being on FB. Whenever I'm there, I always think what on earth is this? And why did I waste so many of my waking hours on this platform, arguing with strangers? It did matter at the time though...
This is such a cool memory to share, and a little piece of history too! I wonder how many others have similar stories.
Thanks for sharing it!
Thanks Stone! Yes there were many other groups like the NBVD which sprung up in 2020.
The final straw was actually ours...a post attempting to hide volatile links behind URL-shorteners...to demonstrate, we posted a shortened link to a Luc Montagnier interview. A Nobel prize winner.
It's quite clear that they were waiting for an admin to slip, and we still believe there must have been infiltration considering how quick it all happened. I've since reported outright scams-direct, money scams- to Facebook, and been told nothing could be done.
Yep, it was you! If you look at that particular screenshot you can see your singular double name blurred.
SANE! So happy your world is big enough to have had a few thinkers remaining in proximity. Took me months to realize all my posts were shadow banned, and years to discover the 2% of my brobots that were still sane,but fortunately my workbots all were, so I had a refuge where I could DO MY RESEARCH!
Love, GORT
Funny we only met after the NBVD was dismantled. You would have been an excellent contributor!
Those were the days! Facebook is such a ghost town now... Its dying words were "wait two weeks."
(Rest in Power NVBD.)
Just two weeks… 🤣